Hi, some of your recent forum post replies have been removed as they are minimodding or have some relation to such.
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No offense or not being rude but i think you are going far... First, i have messaged about closing the thread, so you refused, and then i have chat to the following thread and bam, it got deleted for not just “1 - 3 words” but like a long sentence.. You have also closed my not controversial topic/opinion for flamebait which really isn’t. The thread that i you were refusing to close was closed, so you should have closed it earlier because the thread was going off the rails (not my thread). Speaking to my thread earlier, i was giving out an opinion that is not even offensive, and then closed by flamebait.
I doubt it, you will BLOCK me for being rude to staff in “infinite time” and disabled account creation or more severe punishments but this is important, don’t take actions unless it goes toooo far (i mean dont be too strict), i want to spread out some truth but you delete it. My first thread was some facts and opinions, you didn’t have a reason on why you have deleted it, you say flamebait?
Last words, sorry for being rude, just helping you next time
By our policies, we do have the authority to hand out warnings if a rule is broken or an insistent guideline is not followed. If you wonder why we don't wait until things are "too far" to moderate, remember: If we wait until people get unruly, then it brings chaos. Why wait to moderate until severe repeat offense? Remind early so they have the knowledge that what they're doing is not correct. If they've read it, they might stop, and it helps them improve as an editor. If they don't read it, or do read but don't listen, it's possibly a troll or just someone to cause a fuss, and we block them. Simple method, effective result.
Mini-modding is attempting to take moderation concerns into your own hands, in any shape or form of what usually consists of attempting to give out your own warnings. This includes the "necrobumped" replies to necrobumped threads. We don't allow it because editors often don't understand our policies correctly and can't properly make worthwhile reminders or warnings within guidelines - plus everything has a bit more authority to it if an admin or mod is doing it.
We are having a large problem with mini-modding right now, and so we are even more insistent to instantly remind or warn for any offense of it. Due to your typing I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about in regards to thread closing, but posting "this was necrobumped" is not really any way to go about it. As with most reports...inform the admin with a link to the issue, and leave it to us to manage. It's our job because we know the policies - we manage it for a reason, to prevent misinformation and drama.
We may not instantly warn for flamebait threads, as if not super intentional we assume you won't post it again or at least attempt modifying it for attempt 2 - but since minimodding can cause a lot more problems for us, we instantly go to warning or reminding. We didn't feel you were ill-intentioned with the thread too much, and expected that if it's removed you'd try to fix it, so we didn't say anything just yet. Though if you posted the barely-modified rant again I was going to likely ask you to cease posting it or severely cut out the problematic parts.
Any sort of editorial-like thread that stirs controversy or directly targets a person or group of people, or may contain misinformation or painted bias, may be removed to prevent having to moderate a thread where everyone is just going to be arguing or calling out inaccuracies. We also don't want to hold any sets with loads of opinions presented as fact or general misinfo, as we don't really want to be shown as responsible for any issues that might arise. Offensive threads are often just taken down for being offensive or inappropriate, so it's not much to do with the matter.
Why we might not instantly close necro'd threads or remove flamebait-y threads, you ask? Because most of us patrol recent changes, and only maybe see it when someone posts on it. I sometimes look at the forums and such directly, but when I'm only doing a peek every now and then to clean up and then go, I've little time to check directly. Plus it then saves our often-limited time by only managing what's been actively contributed to, and therefore noticed enough to warrant action.
We don't feel a need to block you right now, obviously - you've not broken enough of any policies to do so, but pushing PA towards the matter and demanding we moderate in your method when it's not what our guidelines have outlined (of which such is for a reason) is an alternate form of asking for one.
We may come off as strict and such, but that's possibly just because unlike a lot of society nowadays, we actually enforce our policies and rules of our community. I might come off as more "strict" than the other admins, but that's just because I'm rather straightforward and blunt about most things, though I try to keep most of my reminders and warnings pretty simple to avoid this.
Things are only strict when rules are broken. If you follow them, you'll find no issue.
I didn’t mention anything about mini-modding, i am messaging here because this is the most relevant place. Ok, if offensive threads and controversial are closed, then why haven’t you closed the admin’s controversial thread earlier. It was already gone off the rails.
As i have said earlier, you deleted my thread for flamebait, not even controversial, not bias, opinion based and no misinformation and not a rant either, you must read because taking an action to it.
But yeah, i think mini-modding is kinda a problem, sorry for that.
I think this is the really last message of me now, i’ll follow rules as strict as i can.
If you've no matter to the thread at hand, then please make a new post next time. Your post implied that the warning wasn't done to your likings.
Threads are only removed for "flamebait" or "controversial" if the thread itself is written to be controversial. Very rarely do we remove threads past some creation for this unless the author of it somehow turns it into one themselves.
I don't recall any "admin" post that's controversial besides some of the super threads where people try arguing on occasion, but that's managed. If you're referring to Blitzwolfer's thread - of which was made long before he was a content mod - it was not controversial by nature, and the thread's few debates were mostly from trolls so the posts just got removed. It was only closed after people who weren't trolls tried arguing on it, plus then the matter had already transpired and wasn't much relevant to talk about anymore.
Really, the matter is not if you see it as one - it is if we do. Accusations and indirect targeted attacks at a game alongside passing opinion off as fact by tone is something we'd consider flamebait. Flamebait is sometimes unintentional, but it's really just whenever a thread is written in a way that it will 100% provoke argument or harsh debate. We'd usually be okay with debate, but...most people turn it into a flamewar or just a petty argument so we don't feel like moderating that. Kind of ties into the "[advise to] stop it before it becomes a problem" thing of moderation here.
Flamebait is also an umbrella term that kind of encompasses controversy, misinformative false opinion based (basically, an editorial trying to look like a factual article), misinformation in general (may or may not be present), possibly PA, and rants. Not necessarily that flamebait means that, but...it's basically all the requirements to be flamebait. So, whether intended or not, stuff gets removed for it.
We really don't much allow rants in general, unless it's more of a reasonable opinion piece that isn't based around pointing fingers and/or a factual piece which isn't much of a rant anyway. Kind of like a thread about clothing copying I might write up this weekend.
We don't much outright remove threads without fully taking a look at them except in one-off cases like clear reposts of removed threads or basically anything in all caps.
There is no such thing as misinformative opinion. Opinions will never be true since it is people’s view. No, i am not ranting on the thread what i have said earlier. Opinions of other youtuber or robloxian that isn’t a rant will be considered flamebait? That is too strict.
I didn’t intend to attack players on that thread, besides it is just a thread that is not controversial talking about 1 player which is not ranting and attacking.
I don’t want you to define what is the cause and the reasons why the thread is flamebait, i would want to discuss why a such very innocent thread is closed by flamebait.
Ill repeat “very innocent” but you somehow managed to look it as offensive, attacks and debate (which is not a debate but opinion) and opinions are opinions, some opinions are offensive, some are not (which is mine on the thread).
The threads are not 100% that provokes the argument or harsh debates but the community. Let’s go back to the past where i have created a thread that isn’t really meant to be offensive, it is based on facts and it is considered as news. And then 1 unpopular opinion came out and make me furiously angry, it’s not the thread but the community.
Harsh debates happen when one has unpopular offensive opinions, and not all of these unpopular opinions are meant to create flame wars (as if it looks intentional).
You may put into the controversial status instead of flamebait since almost all of the threads are not baiting on flamewars. You may need to close a thread for being controversial instead of being flamebait.
You may put it to flamebait as if the thread is created to intentionally create flamewars and harsh debates.
My old thread (february) wasn’t intended to create flamewars, but it is controversial, however, you had settled it to flamebait status instead of being controversial.
I honestly don’t want to continue this argument about moderation and staff. I kinda want this to be closed, again, sorry for being rude.
Can you close this after you responded to this message, this argument about taking action and moderation is kinda getting too far because i am getting ruder and offensive on my points.
"Misinformative opinion" refers more to when opinion gets treated in its context as a fact or "almighty truth" when writing, and such attempt at fact is false. They aren't ever "true" or "false" (though they can be brought upon by false notion), but they can be treated like they are, and that's when they become problematic.
When you're going into detail about a matter based on opinion that's borderline hateful or based on misinformation or misinformative opinion (of which the Meepcity thread was - the entire thread was based on treating an opinion like it's almighty truth) - we start considering it a rant. Rants often bring debate, or even more, argument.
When threads are misinformative in either sense or intended to be problematic (usually, if you feel it's going to get removed for controversy, then it's probably controversial), we close or remove them before they start an issue. The last few that got responses before we caught them to close them proved this point exactly. They were already getting argumentative. We don't want this on the Wikia.
Please don't tell us what we can or cannot do. We are enforcing our rules and policies of which were guided and approved by our community; it's what the community wants you to follow, no one likes an argument, and we don't like moderating them (which is why we prefer closing them). If you're insistent on posting them without much issue, consider trying them out at the r/roblox subreddit instead, where they're more lenient on most of what we've reminded you about so far.
Avoid posting any more intentionally controversial or flamebait threads in the future, because at this point we've asked you enough. Remember - if you think it's going to get removed for being controversial, then it's probably controversial, and you shouldn't post it here.
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